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Reply 59# Corran , ^# {. G% E2 G# i! ^

8 b1 P* E# `9 Q4 f: w# qif its all so easy then lets see Orion players all start from the beginning... simple.  Or even restart everyone... we r all cool with that too.  Then its fair and all the players who get to the top deserve to be there.  ; L9 t; u0 }7 v0 C1 n. a1 Q5 D
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I guess its only human behaviour to want to hang onto your advantage so i aint taking this personally... the problem is that so far i havent seen a single good argument why Orion deserve their advantage over Gemini.

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    Maintence see here: http://www.ssupremacy.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=5266

Corran

At what point did I say it was easy?* ?: z- x  A' o" d3 J. r# |
"if its all so easy then lets see Orion players all start from the beginning... simple." # h  a1 |2 X& ~6 f" v
so Gemini would be the only ones keeping their advantage? what happened to all your talk of fairness?7 ^! q! a. S3 t( C1 a
"Or even restart everyone... we r all cool with that too."1 ?) u6 b# q* j% u4 u3 D
Rather curious as to the we part, were you elected to speak for all of Gemini? and as I said, if you want resets whenever someone joins so its all fair then you'd be reseting all the time.  Cause I'm absolutely certain that you'd had beginners join Gemini well after you did and I seriously doubt you asked the devs to reset the game for everyone on gemini so it'd be fair., Z2 q/ j7 J! E. f
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"Then its fair and all the players who get to the top deserve to be there."1 n$ v- ^- Y; Q$ i0 ~# b$ @
I guess you feel that way cause someone in Gemini doesn't deserve to be at the top? or maybe it's just resentment to someone at your workplace? or are you telling me that everyone at your job started at the same time?! J4 v" Q3 ]( x2 h0 s" g# O% x$ O
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I'd really like to know in what situation IRL in which your fairness actually occurs? running? I could put in the training like Usain Bolt but I doubt genetics would ever allow me to beat him.  Oh, I know, we should rewrite genetics so I'd have a fair chance against Bolt. Money? I know Warren Buffett did not start at the same time that I did.  We both started at zero, but he's been at it way longer than I have.  Racing? Even if the cars may be the same, the crew certainly isn't. Unless you want to clone the crew a couple dozen times? Basketball? it'd be a best of one series at some neutral court right in the middle between both teams' cities with none of the fans or somehow exactly half the fans for each side between identical twins (one for each team of course).  Boxing?  It'd be a one round match between identical twins.  Politics?  Every candidate would have x to spend on advertisements and donations wouldn't do a thing and no one else could advertise for any of the candidates.# O% g' `+ `7 H  e. B1 `
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So just give me one situation in which things were 'fair.'

Endemonadia

How is "everyone starting at the begining"  unfair?
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If all of the players started with nothing then how is this unfair?
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Ive also said that if Orion want to come here then they must take smoe form of balancing to make it fair, yes i said that.  SO far the devs havent even looked at this issue.; f$ [: ~3 r3 }) u7 e: f  [

5 U( i" a$ w9 a8 F0 T# MANd if u guys think Orion is fine and isnt dead then why do u even want to come to Gemini anyway?3 M  P. Q& a! }- u

# R$ w7 Z4 K* E6 vJust stay there where u done all your work to be the top.  I totally dont understand why u deserve to win Gemini when u havent done any work whatsoever here, thats whats retarded.  Ur being given this server for no effort and that sucks.  h: X( ?* Z6 ?, ?$ U
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The devs still havent answered why question... will these Orion players be shipped onto every new server so they can win them all?0 C; ?3 k: b& ]( b
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As for whether i speak for all of Gemini... lets just say i havent found a single top player who agrees with this merger in its current state.  The vast majority of S7 have said we will all look for another game to play, and we are actively looking around right now to do that.  I know that Chaos have also agreed with us.  Wolfpack are the only significant alliance who have so far remained on the fence, we havent had any strong feelings one way or the other.  ( A% Q! J) u  P$ s) Q

' u; m# u7 c# ~9 g  j( d% j) pAt the end of the day the casual players who just wanna play Farmville wont care one bit about the merger cos they can continue to dip into the game whenever they like and their aspirations of the game wont be affected.  But those who want to 'win the game' from Gemini are the ones being kicked in the balls.  We are the ones who have been let down by this merger.   We have had the goalposts moved halfway during the game and thats why we r so angry and feel totally let down by the devs.  We have been handed an impossible task to have any chance to win this game and thats why the sensible option to us right now is to invest our time in a game which we actually have a chance to win.
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Ive been asked to start a petition thread by people on Gemini, i think its just because ive ended up being the voice of S7 and possibly even Gemini :/

mmmmxtasy

Orion did not ask for the merge lets get that fact cleared up ... The game needs it to survive , ive been in numerous merges alot more than *3 months* behind and still managed to win my game .. " {4 d1 U6 }, D' Z  l" Z& Y
Finally doesn;t matter what game you may go to my dear your a defeatist and will never reach to anything more than that
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Ive seen Gemini and you proclaim fair, and what is it .... Section 7 have as big a hold over Gemini as Justice has over Orion, you hold both planet comps you hold 9 forts, you practically every tp on most planets! you dominate the server alot more than we do orion as you put it./ w) |* }2 P' ]2 U
I have at least 40% of my members will come in ranked wayyyyyy lower than any of yours but i dont hear them crying . If you played your game built up your account as we have done here for 6 months maybe you wouldnt be so scared now (although i hasten to point out i have spoke with Pharos he knows i will discuss with him diplomacies and how we will both play our game, he didnt seem too concerned

Neminsis

Reply 64# Endemonadia
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( c( Y* L' S( I/ g1 Y) o8 OSo everyone that's joined Gemini after you did and has had less time to develop doesn't deserve to be kings of the universe like you do?' W  Q$ f; Y7 o, S* Y* k

4 C& q# P& m& M! q& GDo you honestly think that any of us reading this forum don't know that your alliance has completely dominated Gemini server and know that its your own advantage you seek to maintain? My guess is that S7 has made some enemies along the way, enemies that might find themselves with new powerful allies on the merge.
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Ok, so then declare that you've won, time to restart and you can race against those that start tomorrow but wait, you have the advantage of experience so it wouldn't really be fair would it?
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Here's the thing, your goal posts are artificial, they exist only in your mind. 8 Y7 i8 r- D' E5 z! B6 Y

- z6 E; H+ e, l4 d0 a3 QIt must drive you crazy whenever you go out and there are people already there, that are ahead of you on the sidewalk.
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. }5 U0 M  \4 yThe reason nature produces so many predators is that most of them die off.
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Why are you so afraid to be in the exact same position that you've put so many others in?
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) I1 r: F2 \  A3 KKARMA IS GONNA GET YA.
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Reply 65# mmmmxtasy . d* p! Q/ o. M
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Ok Mmmm lets make one thing clear.. your money spent on the game doesnt mean u can call the shots of how you want the game to be designed.
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I myself have a top 100 Rogue on Wow, there are 11million players and yes its in the top 100.  If the devs of Wow change something in the game which puts me at a disadvantage i do not expect my money back ffs. Ive paid my money over 5 years and got my Rogue to its top position and its stupid to expect my money back if the devs make changes... so stop that stupid "i pay more money than u so i deserve more from the game" argument pls.  
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As for Pharos im not sure what hes told u but we have all been in discussion yesterday about looking for another game.  Ofc hes going to be a good leader like hes always been and continue to play the game and therefore diplomacy between incoming Orion alliances and us is important and hes doing the work for that.  And how is it that the money u spent on the game is more important than the money that everyone on Gemini has spent? Id like to hear a sensible answer to that one...
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As for our position ni the game, we are not the top alliance, there are a few who r close around us notably Chaos and Wolfpack.  Pharos only hit top player this week and we only took control of Jacot last week.  Around the same time that ATeam collapsed.  Chaos have had the strongest fleets in the game until this week where arguably Pharos is now very slightly stronger.  All adding up to a balanced and STILL COMPETITIVE server.  Its still all to play for and we welcome strong and FAIR competition.  But this is not whats being delivered with this merger.    U( K6 W- b5 @" J/ ?  V6 n8 M

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U make the mistake in thinking that we will all cry off when we lose a few of our strongest fleets.  FYI we got to our position cos we were prepared to get our hands dirty and fight players bigger than us and win.  Im pretty sure thats exactly what u guys have done to get to your lofty heights.  Kudos all round methinks.
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! P) P1 @! S' z. s0 TBut...
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THE GAPS TOO BIG!
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Thats the only point which u guys r totally avoiding... and ur trying to appease us by giving us some false hope that if we play long enough and work hard enough then sometime in the next 10 years we might be able to knock Justice off the top spot... like i said we r too experienced in online gaming to read the facts.   The young noobs might think they have a chance so we can let them stay to keep u entertained lol$ \9 Y; U* A1 \2 u6 n( e
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If u want your prescious game to survive (as u put it) then u should be prepared to compromise in order to keep the game fun and fair.  Cos right now all us on Gemini see is a bunch of overpowered controlfreaks turning up.$ @- A! H3 w/ |$ X- g
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So far u havent offered a single compromise to make this merger fair...
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~Ende~

mmmmxtasy

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" b( [, w# h( I LMAO   Nowhere in that post did i say that ????.8 N$ K/ S, Q* e7 W% i( O
All i said is why should my account be deleted ended whatever you want to do with because your a defeatist ???
# X( B7 O+ T' \: J- f6 p) Y+ U9 U! v( v i think your doing your very best to discredit and cause fear, as Nem said because all those people you have trodden down to dominate over will now have  a whole new set of guilds to approach and get help from..

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: c, }0 O& f: X' a4 I5 v    P.s the only thing i demand from the game is exactly the same as you do, THE RIGHT TO CONTINUE WHAT I HAVE SPENT 6 MONTHS OF HARD WORK ON

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Reply 68# mmmmxtasy
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And all those players u trodden down left your server which is why its now dead compared to ours.  # M  ^, c5 Y8 r
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At the end of the day u guys r not prepared to make any form of compromise to make our new server fair and fun.  Ur keeping your strong grip on power tight and refuse to even discuss properly.
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+ o8 a3 y' t; z. {  W+ S( KU can call my points defeateist but the vast majority on Gemini call it fair logic.  So far not a single Gemini player has come forward to welcome this merger, all who have posted here agree with me.  If u want to keep blinkered by only trusting your own guild and not the players of the game throughout both realms then more fool u.
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As for the money point, u have consistently referred to how much u have paid to play the game as some kind of reason why your account is more important than anyone elses.  U fail to realise that the amount of money u have spent means nothing at all to this discussion.  If the game must make changes to survive then suck it up... right now the only people sucking it up are Gemini natives.
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. m! w! _/ I8 o% z7 UAnd we just want to see both servers make a sacrifice for the good for the game not just ours!