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Reply 79# Neminsis 5 b7 g* M) D1 \: \

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so which one of that plethora of quotes have i insulted anyone?
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# ]" }# g7 u4 d  }7 M* HIf u want to argue semantics then i can point to every single post which has been made by Orion players.
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! e6 J) x( `* hI could address each one of your useless quotes which feel so hurt by... all of these quotes hurt u so bad?
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# U5 ~. f; D( \4 mEveryone with a braincell who reads this thread can see ive made not a single insult to Orion players and only treated u all with utmost respect.

Endemonadia

show me where any of them are namecalling... which is exactly what nemesis has been doing to me at the end of prety much every one of his posts.

Neminsis

Reply 82# Endemonadia 4 y3 I- [, J0 F, j* b
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Right because saying that we've killed our realm and abused the other players there, that we're going to kill Gemini, that we don't care about fair, that we're only looking to take advantage of our position, that we haven't earned our positions, that we are the favored children of the devs, that we're only interested in feeding off the hard work of Gemini, that we should all be deleted and made to start over, that we're lying to you and giving you false hope, that we're domineering, that we don't care about the future of the game...None of that is the slightest bit insulting in your mind?
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2 E" r6 l8 G8 R. E2 ~& l- ?I hate to tell you this but you're not the hero of this story.

ThePyroboy

let me say that we on Gemini are fearing the worst.  if you (Orion players) decided that you wanted to go all out PVP, we would not be able to defend ourselves.  MMMMxtasy, I know that you have no desire to go on a rampage, but there are hundreds of players on that server that haven't even spoken here.  From our perspective, we are forced into a great unknown (we don't know how many of you are peaceful and how many love pvp) with the knowledge that if we ever bump into anyone, we won't be able to defend ourselves.  We don't know if the person we bump into will be a friend or an enemy, all we know is that they will likely be stronger than us (not always).  while it encourages me to see you speaking out and declaring your passivity, not everyone on Orion agrees with you, and i am sure that there will be some pvp hunters seeking to take advantage of us weaker-lings.
6 W, f# k* x/ A6 P, z& MWe are essentially forced to rely on the good will of players that we have never really met or interacted with.+ `$ i* |4 z3 B0 [; q$ V+ a' o

* B$ }4 @# [4 [+ sIt all boils down to this: we fear the unknown, because regardless of whether it is good or bad, chances are it will be stronger than us.
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Can you understand now why we might be a bit hesitant?

rhonan

i think the ORION players have missed a point - the gemini players have not accepted that this game is farmville.  I agree with nemesis in that the game as structured ends that way, but I've worked hard to make it as anti-farmville as we can.  not working perfectly, but there is more WAR on gemini than orion ever had.  we don't end wars in 1 day, we don't have NAPs, we don't do diplomacy as much - we learnt from ORION about what went wrong.  you know what.. it's self-regulating too...  not too many cranky characters.& o# ^  t, r9 P# K  m- N* Y
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So really what JUSTICE coming in means is that we have to change ..  we can't do the same with JUSTICE as you guys are too powerful.  you can enforce your gamestyle on the server.  however that does not mean that it is bad, or that what will develop is bad, but that we must change.  Ende has good points, so does MMMM and nemesis - won't the emotion is stripped out.  
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PS: any player who comes in late to a server tends to be at a disadvantage... my experience from evony is that if you are more than a week late, you are lost... and you wait for the next server to open up.

Neminsis

Reply 84# ThePyroboy
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; q( C: ]+ T9 }  F! G  b9 qI'll repeat this again, please think it through.
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, z: J4 u# @* |* ~6 E8 O) AIn order to progress to the point that the ones on Orion that are most to be feared have, they have to have given up pvp long before.* \2 Q: ]5 t1 F) P; q
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It's built into the game. It's math. It's not an opinion but a provable fact. You can have your leaders fighting someone or you can have them leveling up. Simple choice.
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Anyone that aggressively farms other players only bleeds themselves and slows their own progress.
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/ e6 v3 M8 o$ J* S3 T8 w0 c! zDoes that mean that their aren't certain people that I hope will attempt to attack me so that I will be justfied in slaughtering them. No, it doesn't mean that at all because there most certainly are.* h5 z- l& r3 q0 B3 A* k) B
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What it means is that if I want to continue to progress, and I assure you that my game is far from over, that I don't waste my time picking up other peoples scraps.

Neminsis

Reply 85# rhonan 6 i* z& |% n( y, G

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* }, Q3 h: h7 Y' u9 }The "gamestyle" that you're talking about is enforced not by Justice but by the game mechanics themselves./ X$ Q) r) G% P% Q! W

1 Y- E* b: C" uYou can continue to fight amongst yourselves as much as you want. No reason that should change or is it your fear that some will seek alliance so that they can be left in peace? Are you not yourselves impinging your playstyle on everyone else?
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As for planet competitions, we don't even bother monopolizing both planets when it would be all too easy. Which is something that's done on Gemini. You would tout yourselves as heros of the down trodden the entire time you're doing the trodding.! u/ G$ L; K1 ]0 j! x# E/ T
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However, y'all shouldn't be dissing Farmville like that since it's been the most played game of all time.+ g( V$ l( x; M8 K; ^0 U+ V
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Who was it again that wanted those NAPs? Was it the strongest alliance that could've taken both the other two on at the same time as was proven easily the first couple planet competitions?
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Reply 87# Neminsis
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Yes we appreciate that its been Justice who are offering all the NAPs and the handshakes upon entry to Gemini... but do we all want a game called Star Hugs?, K, ^- L4 j. t% H* X3 O3 F

$ n0 j; z0 D/ h/ e3 A8 s1 W  oAs Tir has said previously, the mission of Chaos was to inject some pvp and competition into the game and thats exactly how Gemini has operated.  Its not been about everyone simply growing without incident.  Everyones pretty much crossed everyone else over here and its been fun, fair and polite.  I cant remember any trashtalking or b1tchiness resulting from the culture here either.
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. `. m2 u# ]' WThe problem is that having such a massive superpower dropped into our server changes the entire dynamic.  We now have a guild which is impossible to retaliate against when an incident occurs. The gap between this superpower and everyone else is too great.  I foresee a game where everyones walking round on eggshells not wanting to wake the dragon...

Neminsis

"Yes we appreciate that its been Justice who are offering all the NAPs and the handshakes upon entry to Gemini... but do we all want a game called Star Hugs?"
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. q+ O5 `3 E' t$ DAs for what's being offered now it's the same as your very own stated policy, don't attack us and we won't eat your face.# K9 v; A6 v$ X( X) e: e' v

4 U5 R# k* M# tFunny though how the small players on Orion are doing just fine with the massive superpowers around...You talk about a lot of things that haven't happened and probably never will.% ?$ i7 h" x4 G) l6 p+ z; {3 `" i5 T7 M, S

3 ]1 s7 p/ Q& `$ i* g1 m6 cAnd as far as anyone can tell it'll be a totally different server that we're all being randomly dumped into. Shouldn't you be at least be glad that you got to keep the name?

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Reply 89# Neminsis
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The guys at the bottom of the game  on your server chose to play on that server... the lower players on Gemini chose to play here and avoid the superpowers.  Simple./ W  S& ]2 j$ ?# ^3 m! e3 j

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But again u choose to totally ignore what the Gemini players want in this game... we all rolled on this server to escape the massive difference between top and bottom.  But we r now having that dumped on us regardelss of our views.' U; T2 J9 w: @- E

9 P- U" r# E4 ZWhat we dont like is that an Orion team is being given the Gemini realm to win even tho they have done no work no that realm.  Why should Orion players get the rights over us? And further to that if this is the shakey way that the devs organise this game then we can fully expect the same Orion players to be shipped onto the next new realm so they can dominate that one too.... awesome.